Monday, March 24, 2008

Winds of War: Can The Koran Be Reformed?

Robert Spencer said that Islam can not be reformed until the Koran itself is reformed. Muslims say that’s impossible because the Koran is the verbatim transcript of the word of Allah as transmitted to Mohammed, his prophet.

But is that really true? Is the Koran we see today the actual recitals of Mohammed?

Let’s look at the facts.

Mohammed was born in 570 CE in what today is Saudi Arabia. At the age of 40, he began having visions and hearing voices telling him he was the messenger of Allah. Until his death in 632, he regularly received revelations through the Angel Gabriel.

Now Mohammed was illiterate. He couldn’t read or write so his words or ‘recitations’ – or what is known as – ‘Quran’ were memorized by his followers. This is in keeping with Arabic culture which has an oral tradition rather a written one. Muslim tradition also mentions that there were scribes who were responsible for writing down these memorized recitations. Mohammed’s revelations were written down on palm leaves, pieces of bone, or whatever was handy at the time.

It wasn’t until after Mohammed’s death that his words were ‘codified’ into a written book known today as the Koran. Muslim sources give different accounts of this process.

At the battle of Yamama (633 CE), six months after the death of the Prophet, a number of Muslims, who had memorized the Quran were killed. Hence it was feared that unless a written official copy of the Quran were prepared, a large part of revelation might be lost. So, Mohammed’s successor, Abu Bakr, ordered a text to be compiled and compared with the memorized text.

Now let’s go back a few hundred years to the First Council of Nicaea, held in Nicaea, Turkey convoked by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in 325. Anyone who has read the DaVinci Code knows that this Council had the responsibility of sifting through hundreds of gospels, letters and other writings on Jesus and his life. Constantine, tired of al the bickering on the different interpretations of Christianity, ordered the Catholic Bishops to codify the one and only ‘New Testament’.

That’s same codification process took place in Islam.

Othman, the third Caliph, ordered a leading Muslim scribe, to head a team to examine all written and oral records. There work was to yield a complete and accurate account of Allah’s word.

All other texts and oral accounts were ordered destroyed. This Othman Quran, was unanimous approved by the whole Muslim world. Muslims claim that an error even of a single alphabet in transcribing the Quran, the Qurra (memorizers of the Quran) which totaled in the tens of hundreds would have caught it right away and correct it.

But Dr. Gustav Weil has another view.

In consequence of the multiplied variations which had crept into the readings of the Koran, Othman had caused all the different copies which could be found to be collected together and burnt, excepting one, which alone, sanctioned by his own authority, he directed all believers to receive as the only genuine transcript of the revelations of the prophet. Moreover, he confided the editorship and revision of this new and authentic edition to those men who were the most devoted to him, rather than to those who were the most learned.

But what we have here is the problem of the fallacies of memory and the cultural dictates of the time as grist for what is known as the Koran today. But faith and religions organized around that faith see no problem in the cultural intrusions into a belief system. AKA: not eating pork – Muslim and Jew, not killing cows – Hindu, etc.

Are you getting the picture? Perhaps, the Koran we have today is not truly the words of Mohammed and earlier versions or sources, if they were ever studied, might shed light on the problem.

Guess what. There may be such a source.

January 12th, 2008, the Wall Street Journal published a lengthy report entitled , “The Lost Archives” by Andrew Higgins on the early Muslim archives, allegedly destroyed in an April, 1944 British air bombing of a Bavarian Academy of Science in Munich that housed these treasured scholarly documents. The story behind how these archives came to Germany and their status during the Nazi regime has elements of Indiana Jones, the Da Vinci Code and the ODESSA files. The archives were never destroyed, and were secreted by an Arabic scholar and translator, Anton Spitaler, who was liaison to Nazi sponsored Waffen SS battle units composed of Middle East Arabs sponsored, in part, by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al Husseini, Hitler’s house guest in Berlin during WWII.

Some Koranic critics, notably the pseudonymous scholar “Ibn Warraq”, claim that Professor Angelika Neuwirth, the archive’s custodian, has denied access to scholars who stray from the traditional interpretation.

Public pressure may finally be brought to bear to throw open to Islamic scholars and not simply handed over to Islamic clerics for ’safekeeping’ Safekeeping akin to that of the biblical ark of the covenant buried in an Army Intelligence depot at the end of the original Spielberg film, “Raiders if the Lost Ark”. It may take a decade or more to both catalog and review these documents. Doubtless, fatwas was will be issued upon release of interim analyses of what surfaces from this process, as the Koran appears to be redacted by many writers over many years and includes both Christian and Jewish sources in languages like Syriac-Aramaic, which may explain the ‘72 raisins’ interpretation according to one German philologist expert at the “Christoph Luxenburg”.

What other redactions will be found once the archives are released? When they are, scholars could put the Koran under the same scrutiny that the Bible has gone through and in the end give those Muslims who truly believe in peace to have a tool in reforming the Koran.

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  • Frankly I dont understand how these Muslims can believe anything about thier religion. Really.

    The religion is so stupid .. that anyone follows it is a mystery to me.

    They really think the Koran is the word for word writtings of Allah himself... It has to be one the most unreadable books there are.

    By Blogger VinceP1974, at 10:03 AM  

  • Oh, GREAT. The archives put together by an Arab Nazi sympathizer, and guarded by Nazis. Now, what would all those people have in common?

    I'm with Vince. The Koran is too much to salvage. It's very tone is so hateful and opposed to peace. Where would one begin to clean it up. .. really?

    BTW people, don't limit your knowledge of Constantine and the Nicean Council to the likes of the Da Vinci Code!

    For more on the Mufti and their collaboration with the Nazi regime:

    By Blogger Mac, at 8:26 PM  

  • Oops. . .

    (It's an interesting history.)

    By Blogger Mac, at 8:29 PM  

  • Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Book stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin good and forbid wrong; and they hasten in good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are God fearing. 3:113-115

    And there are, certainly, among the people of the Book, those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. 3:199

    Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . 2:62

    Say: "O people of the Book : Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides God. 3:64

    29.46. And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better, unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong : but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is one; and it is to Him we bow."

    And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to God and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but God will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. 2.111-113

    3.84 Say: "We believe in God, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to God do we bow our will (in Islam)."

    22.78. And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive. He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to God. He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help!

    If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them 4.124

    The Quran(Koran) Concerning who we fight or don't:

    As for such who do not fight you on account of faith, or drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to deal with them with equity, for God loves those who act equitably. God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of faith and drive you forth from your homelands or aid in driving you forth. As for those from among you who turn towards them for alliance, it is they who are wrongdoers. 60:8-9

    Permission (to fight) is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged, and verily, God has indeed the power to aid them. Those who have been driven from their homelands in defiance of right for no other reason than their saying, ‘Our Lord is God.’ 22:39-40

    The Quran(Koran) Concerning freedom:

    2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

    16:82 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message .

    6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them.

    4:79-80 Say:'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

    11:28 He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?°

    17:53-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith.

    21:107-109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour is near or far."

    22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord. You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, `God best knows what you do."

    24.54. Say: "Obey God, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

    Koran should not be judged partially.

    By Blogger Mohamed, at 12:21 AM  

  • Mohamed:

    "Say: "O people of the Book : Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides God. 3:64"


    Muhammad could not afford to allow belief in the Trinity as it would elevate Jesus Christ to a position higher than the position Muhammad claimed. He thus created the belief in the fallacy that the Trinity referred to 3 separate entities, which allowed him to claim Christians were polytheistic.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:49 PM  



    Larry Houle

    It was Ronald Reagan who changed the course of history by declaring that the Soviet Union was an evil empire. The EU can change the course of History by demanding that Turkey complete not only the required 35 chapters for membership but a 36th Chapter - REFORMIMG ISLAM.

    Islam is a 7th century ideology whose prime directive is the extermination of ALL INFIDELS from face of the earth.

    The EU must demand the following reforms of Islam by Turkey before allowing Turkey to join the Union.

    1. The end of the 1400 year old war against the Infidels.

    This means the renouncing, denouncing and removal from the Koran the close to 1000 fascist teachings of violence, terror, war, death and destruction, - that all call for the extermination of all infidels espically Christians and Jews who refuse to convert to Islam.

    2. Renouncing, denouncing and removal from the Koran all teachings of the oppression, subjugation and repression of women.

    The total and complete equality of women in a democratic society without equivocation is absolutely essential to the reform of Islam. Nothing less is acceptable.

    3. Renouncing, denouncing and removal from the Koran all teachings of raping infidel slaves.

    4. Renouncing, denouncing and removal from the Koran all teachings of slavery. Slavery is the most vile, evil institutions ever invented by man. Slavery is a immortal eternal divine LAW OF GOD in the Koran. There is no such LAW OF GOD.

    5.Renouncing, denouncing and removal from the Koran all teachings of looting and pillaging and sharing the profit received from selling looted property and slaves with God.

    6. Renouncing, denouncing and removal from the Koran all teachings of brutality.

    7. Renouncing, denouncing and removal from the Koran all teachings of hate and racism.

    8. Renouncing, denouncing and removal from the Koran all teachings of murdering Apostates of Islam. The total and complete right of Muslims to leave Islam.

    9. Renouncing, denouncing and removal from the Koran all teachings of polygamy.

    10. The total and complete destruction of the sexually depraved Islamic Paradise of virgins who are to service the Men of Allah for all eternity. This evil Paradise for murderers is an outrageous affront and sin against God. To turn God into a pimp
    makes a mockery of everything God stands for. Over 1400 years, upwards of 270,000,000 people have been murdered by Muslim men so they could fulfill Koran teaching 9:111 and ascend to this place of obscenity. You cannot ascend to Paradise by climbing on the corpses of the murdered. Those who kill in the name of and to the greater glory of God will ascend not to Paradise but descend into the fires of hell.

    11.The total and complete destruction of Sharia Law and its replacement by separation of religion and state and democracy and freedom.


    By leaving these violent and abhorrent teachings in the Koran, Muslims are in effect saying that these teachings are NORMAL. They are basically acquiescing to evil. Once you accommodate evil, you lose your moral center and become willingly or unwillingly an accomplice to evil. You cannot call yourself a Good Muslim – pray 5 times a day etc – and ignore the evil – the moral black hole that lies at very the heart of Islam.

    We can no longer allow Muslims to declare Islam as a Religion of Peace and Love and tolerance etc while leaving in the Koran and Islamic texts evil teachings calling for the destruction of infidels. We can no longer allow these Muslims to live in a fantasy world of an ALLAH of all Goodness and Muhammad – The Prophet of Peace while the Koran contains teachings of a hateful, murderous ALLAH (the ANTI GOD). By demanding that Muslims prove that they are Truly Peace Loving – by removing these evil teachings from the Koran – and condemning their evil founder Muhammad will be a TRUE MOMENT OF CATHARSIS FOR ISLAM.

    By Blogger personalrep1, at 12:34 AM  

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